Jun 1, 2009

What everyone deserves

Everyman deserves a trial before a sentence, even Dr. George Tiller.

Everyone deserves an opportunity to repent to God before their judgment.
We should grieve for him that he did not have an opportunity to properly prepare his soul to face his Maker.

Everyone deserves a chance...

John Brown's atrocities at Harper's ferry did not make slavery right;

Abulhakin Muhammad's murder of Private William Long at the Army/Navy recruitment center in Little Rock does not make Islam wrong; ...

Now is not the time to apologize for being Pro-Life. Pro-Life is Pro-kid, Pro-Chance, Pro-Civil Rights and Pro-good.


John Hosty-Grinnell said...

What you could do right now that would make a difference is denounce violence of any kind as a form of activism.

I've done it, so should you.

Ellen Wironken said...

Actually Jay has. Hence his statement that "Every man deserves a trial before a sentence, even Dr. George Tiller." By contrast, you have passed sentence on those who cannot accept homosexuality and same-sex "marriage" because of Divine Revelation and Natural Law, referring to us as "bigots" and "hatemongers" in previous comments left at this blog.

In other words, you have not renounced violence as a form of activism Mr. Hosty. The violence you employ is the violence of calumny; the violence of the lie. What makes you think calumny isn't another form of homicide?

John Ansley said...

Mr. Hosty, would that include violence committed by homosexual activists and directed against Christian and Mormon churches in California over Proposition 8?

JayG said...

You're a broken record...
In my previous post I wrote "I completely condemn this violence"

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

I condemn all forms of violence no matter the cause. Christ came in the name of love and peace, I can think of nothing further from that than an act of violence.

Jay, you are in the thick of radical people, as am I admittedly, we both need to be loud and clear on this one issue: harm no one and nothing.

If you have posted that you are against violence in another article that's great, but the message is worth repeating.

"What makes you think calumny isn't another form of homicide?"

Ellen, you need to get a firm grip on reality, this is just nonsense. My freedom of speech has never included lies, prove otherwise. Cite a credible third party that agrees with you and I will address what they say. You trying to say I lie is a lie in and of itself breaking one of the Ten Commandments; a far greater infraction than active homosexuality by Canon Law.

Ellen Wironken said...

"Detraction and calumny destroy the reputation and honor of one's neighbor. Honor is the social witness given to human dignity, and everyone enjoys a natural right to the honor of his name and reputation and to respect. Thus, detraction and calumny offend against the virtues of justice and charity." (CCC, 2479).

Virtually everyone who frequents this forum has noted your calumnies Mr. Hosty. And you will account for all of them before the Lord Jesus.

At this point, I believe you to be a waste of time. I will simply pray for you but I will not visit this Blog any longer.

It would seem anyway that JayG has more respect for you - a practicing homosexual - than he does other Christians. I say this because while he frequently responds to your comments, he ignores the Christians who post here for some strange reason.

Goodbye and good luck.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Honor is based in honesty Ellen, something you have yet to come to terms with.

Jay plays no favorites here, and I will remind you I am a Christian too. I'm every bit worthy of saving as you are.

When you're done having your temper tantrum feel free to talk to me further, I'll not turn my back on someone who is in such need of saving as you are.

Hate is not His way.

Pax Christi

William said...

Ellen - and anyone else who comes here - you are right about John Hosty. He IS a waste of time. As one Christian writer explains: "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces" (Matthew 7:6).

Here we have dogs, pearls, swine and someone being ripped to pieces. What's going on here?

The big clue is the first part of the verse, "Do not give what is holy to the dogs." Something holy is forbidden for dogs. I know this will be hard for dog lovers to believe, but at the time Jesus spoke these words, dogs were not man's best friend. They usually traveled in packs and were very dangerous.

To call someone a "dog" in the first century was the lowest insult. As they say in Texas, "Them is fightin' words."

The only thing worse than being called a "dog" was to be called a "pig." It's still very effective today. Under the dietary laws given by God for Israel, the pig was a forbidden, unclean animal. It was common for first-century Jews to refer to gentiles as swine because they considered them unclean.

One thing is sure. Jesus didn't try to appease scoffers. He purposely offended them.

Let's look to Jennifer, 10, for more light on what Jesus meant: "Jesus said don't give your pearls to a pig because a pig is too dumb to understand what a pearl is worth."

Spiritual dumbness has nothing to do with one's IQ. You can be a certified genius yet be dumb as a rock in spiritual matters.

But the warning here involves more than spiritual dumbness as in pigs trampling underfoot valuable pearls. There's a parallel thought at the end of the verse that refers back to the dogs.

What is this holy thing that causes dogs to turn on you and tear you to pieces? For the answer, we turn to Sarah, 12: "Don't try to give the gospel to people who have already rejected it."

This could be called the General Patton strategy for spreading the good news. Instead of going through fortifications, Patton's tank commanders went around them.

Jesus spoke of religious leaders who were offended by what he said: "Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into the ditch" (Matthew 15:14).

Don't waste your time preaching to those who are obviously hardened and scornful."


Those destined for destruction must continue along their path. Instead of wasting one's time on Hosty - or other hardened souls who have no love for truth - let's concentrate on those whom we CAN reach.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

William, although your words are meant to hurt my feelings and sadden me I will not allow them to break my spirit or turn me from Christ's message of peace and love.

It must be very hard for you to imagine that gay people can love God and be loved by God, but that is a truth in life whether you decide to recognize it or not. If your heart is open you will learn and grow as Christ would want you to, and you will see before you a neighbor worthy of your love as I do in you. This great commandment was not optional; we are all called through Christ to adhere to love thy neighbor. Were we to exclude sinners we should exclude the entire world for not one is worthy of God's love.

Your words show me more than ever that people from the opposing side of marriage equality need to be reached out to so that their hate will not consume them. I will pray for you my brother in Christ as I do the others who speak as you do.

Lillith said...

These people do need prayer JHG. They are parasites on our local communities as they reject love.

JayG said...

Christ's message was repentance

Anonymous said...

Save them from their hate.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Christ most important message was love. Love of the gift of life to the almighty for having made us, and love to our fellow man that he might enjoy life to the fullest through Christ's peace.

In every mass we stop to offer each other a sign of that peace, that's how important this point is.

Lillith said...

A new kind of love is taking the world by storm. Its power is unstoppable. It cannot be resisted. It will conquer the world and its archaic fears. Its power is irrefutable and irresistible. The future is here.

Lillith said...

Funny how quiet William is now. Defeated, he must now face his self-loathing. Face your fears William and admit defeat for yourself and your movement.

JayG said...

I don't think so Lll...

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

I have been posting on this website for years and been the target of much hatred. The exchanges here are indicative of the exchanges we have had throughout the entire time I've posted here.

I have to ask, when does one finally stop with the vitriol comments and attempt genuine constructive dialog?

My question all along this path we've taken together has been very basic; by what terms can we live in peace although we disagree?

So far that question has gone unanswered.

Pax Christi

William said...

I see that Mr. Hosty is still up to his old tactics. Now he is allowing comments slandering me at his blog. And this without any facts to corroborate the ugly accusations. View the comments section of his post:

There "lillith" may be seen falsely accusing me of ugly things and Mr. Hosty not only allowing the comment without facts to ack them up but readily buying into the lies.

Further proof that the radical homosexual movement will do or say anything to achieve its goals.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

William, if it bothers you so much when people lie about you then why do you lie about others?

I allow free conversation on the blogs I support, everyone has a right to say what they want. You'll also see that I asked Lilith to furnish proof of what she said against you, why didn't you mention that? Are you trying to be dishonest by omission?

Marie Tremblay said...

What a hateful and dispicable act of violence. To publish that sort of calumny on the internet is not only highly immoral, it is criminal.

What a reprehensible human being.

WifeofWilliam said...

Mr. Hosty, you are a predictable little weasel. You claim you knew what was going on writing, "Did you really think I didn't suspect something like this? Sorry to disappoint you but you are not the first to try this dishonest method...Don't you know that lying is a sin?"

Nice try genius. But in your email to me today (a copy of which I will gladly forward to anyone who asks), you wrote: "..Lilith went on DTF and basically said she was lying about what she said on my blog, which of course doesn't make me look good. I don't know what to think of all this.."

You're a terrible liar Mr. Hosty. Lying bothers you? Try again. In a previous comment in this thread addressed to my husband, you wrote, "I allow free conversation on the blogs I support, everyone has a right to say what they want. You'll also see that I asked Lilith to furnish proof of what she said against you, why didn't you mention that?"

Everyone has a right "to say what they want?" Even total lies aimed at destroying another's credibility? Where is this so-called "proof" Mr. Hosty you weasel? Supply it now. Where is the actual transcript where my husband may be seen to express a desire for homosexual sex? You cannot supply one because one does not exist.

But I CAN supply proof of what I am saying. And I will. To anyone who asks for it.

It is my profound hope that JayG will keep all these comments at this thread so that readers of this Blog will know definitively that you are a dishonest weasel who will lie, calumniate, and work various dirty tricks so as to harm other Christians.

You sir are no Christian. I pretended to be someone and something else to expose you and your hideous methods. Is this wrong? Tell it to undercover FBI agents and CIA types who do this everyday to expose evil in our midst.

But your lies are intended to harm. You sir are engaged in an evil work.

Wife of William
aka DawnofAquarius

William said...

Hosty, you are a despicable human being. Keep justifying your lies. But know this: you are further damaging your soul and your mental health.

William's wife said...

This will be my last comment on the subject. I had to laugh at Mr. Hosty's comment as I have had (just recently in fact) both the MMPI and the Myers-Brigg psychological battery for work and these indicated absolutely no pathologies whatsoever. So much for Mr. Hosty's theory that I "might be insane."

Having said that, I find it most interesting how Mr. Hosty - true to form according to my husband - once again attempts to turn a criticism away from himself by pointing a finger at another. There is absolutely no recognition on his part as to just how hateful and disturbing his behavior is. Without a shred of evidence to corroborate accusations against William, he nevertheless was anxious to believe the accusations and to allow them to be published at his Blog.

As I mentioned in my previous comment, I pretended to be someone and something else to expose Mr. Hosty and his devious methods. Having done that, I immediately revealed my true identity.

But Mr. Hosty will not, indeed he cannot, admit his wrong. Why is this? While I am not a clinical psychiatrist, I believe the answer is obvious. Like "Clark Rockefeller," Mr. Hosty is a perpetual liar whose manipulation of others is rooted in narcissism.

I would encourage Mr. Hosty to consult with a clinical psychiatrist. A good one. And to read up on what Wikipedia has to say about narcissism.
There is help out there.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Jay, William, Lilith, whatever you are calling yourself today, let's get something straight; You were the one doing all the lying. You were the one who came to me and lied in an attempt to get me to say something against Christians so you could justify your own hate, but all you accomplished was showing just how crazed your hate has made you.

You were the one who accused William of secretly wanting to be with another man, and I clearly asked for you to cite your proof. The subject you picked is very telling on a psychological level. So now that we have clarified your lie, where is mine?

By the way, next time you want to try to lie in order to trip someone up you might want to learn how to correctly spell a name, or use something less obvious. Lilith (spelled with two "L" not three) is a legend from the Bible. The legends vary significantly, but they all essentially agree that Lilith left Adam because she did not want to submit to him. According to the legends, Lilith was an evil, wicked woman who committed adultery with Satan and produced a race of evil creatures. You don't think that choice would have put my guard up, especially when you are not the first person to try to fool me by pretending to be someone you are not? Search the archives in KTN for September 2005 and you'll find where I outed "Mr. Intimidation". There's been more attempts since then too.

How do I know about Lilith and the Bible? Because I am a Christian and I read the Bible.

I forgive you for your evil against me and ask that you seek God's forgiveness rather than continue down this path. After all, it's not our place to judge one another: Romans 14:13

"13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way."

Your arrogance and hate is next to hubris, it is only yourself that you harm in this fashion.

It is not to me you need to reconcile yourself, it is too Him. I'll pray for your speedy recovery back to His path. You can never use evil to accomplish good, lies are not His will, they are against God.

Pax Christi

William said...

Hosty is the same vicious liar who insisted - on his blog - that Larry Cirignano was guilty even after a jury unanimously acquitted him. Now, he's been exposed as a liar who posted an article falsely accusing me of desiring homosexual sex. He made no effort to corroborate the story. He never verified whether the story was true or not. This is because truth doesn't matter to this sick mind.

Hosty's emails to my wife are very revealing. In one, he freely admits that he and some of his associates/activists have tried to "get the goods" on Christians using deceptive means.

This individual is dangerous in my opinion. Perhaps even sociopathic. He apparently will say or do anything to undermine his opponents. Even publish false accusations without any proof whatsoever.

It is significant that in one email, Hosty tells my wife that this all makes him look bad. Truer words were never spoken. What he refuses to acknowledge here at this forum, he has freely admitted in what he thought was a private email conversation - one which he invited my wife to.

Dangerous and disturbed.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

William states:

"He made no effort to corroborate the story."

On my blog I stated:

"Lilith, it might be a pain in the a** but could you go back and find the quote you're talking about so I can cite it. I'm sure you can understand why I would want to have my facts in order, especially when I want to quote that on DTF! ;)"

Are you capable of telling the truth, or has your hate consumed you to the point where you believe your own lies?

Marie Tremblay said...

Mr. Hosty, you did not make any effort to corroborate the story. You merely relied on hearsay. You were given a link to a chat room. That's all. There was no record or transcript of any conversation to verify the claims being made. You made no attempt to get the facts before allowing the comment at your Blog. You didn't care.

And then things blew up in your face. William sent me the emails. In an email dated 6/8/09 at 6:55 PM, you wrote: "Lilith went on DTF and basically said she was lying about what she said on my blog, which of course doesn't make me look good.."

You're damn right it doesn't. You know it doesn't. Your conduct is inexcusable. And it belongs to a pattern of hatred and lies which are a testament to the depths to which you have sunk.

Larry Cirigano was cleared by a jury of his peers - in a Court of Law - of the false charges made against him. But you decided in your sick mind that he was guilty anyway and said as much at your blog and at this one.

You are an emotionally troubled person in my opinion. Instead of constantly visiting this blog to sow discord and promote your lies and hatred, I recommend you seek out a mental health counselor and/or a priest to discuss your very serious issues.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Peace and love to you Marie, or however you are. ;)

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Sorry, I meant to say whoever you are because you sound a lot like William et al. ;)

"Mr. Hosty, you did not make any effort to corroborate the story."

Your refusal to recognize the truth is not my problem, it's yours. I cited the facts.

Lilith was the liar not me and you know that. You also know I asked her to cite her proof, so for you to continue to try to act like you don't know this makes you a lair as well.

What a tangled web you are weaving here. I'll pray for you.